4 Responses to “i think i need to vomit now”

1. TravStroup Says:
   March 10th, 2008 at 2:20 pm

   Actually no, we didn’t mention any of those things specifically. I recognize that the page is salesy, but the book itself is basically 20,000 words about how respecting women and how they’re all individuals, and how Asian women don’t really differ from any other ethnicity in terms if individuality.

   I’m glad you feel that way - that response “stereotyping Asian women as exotic sex objects” was one of the reasons we created the eBook, so people stopped doing that (That’s actually chapter 1 AND chapter 2). The website is over hyped, we admit it, but part of the reason we did that was because apparently that kind of language gets people to purchase these books.

   Though we made no mention of Asian males, so I’m not exactly certain why you bothered claiming that we did.

2. TravStroup Says:
   March 10th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

   In fact, we have an entire section also dedicated to calling anyone that thinks Asian males can’t satisfy Asian females “Complete idiots.”

   Please do your research before writing posts like this. It is against the law to say negative things that are 100% wrong.

3. Teddy Says:
   March 10th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

   Hey Travis,

   Thanks for the comment. Wow, I’m shocked at the speed with which you found out about my posting on own personal blog, it’s good to see that someone’s reading this thing now and again.

   Yes, your sales page brings up a lot of red flags, things that the Asian-American community has had to fight very hard to extinguish, and things that still hold many, many people back each and every day. Implicit assumptions as to why “Asian women” are more attractive come from our own understandings of who they are, and it’s hard not to distinguish an individual from a group when all you see is the group.

   So I hear what you’re trying to say in your book, Travis. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and think that your book might actually be empowering to Asian women to stop having men see them as “exotic sex objects” or as “foreign” or even as “non-Americans ripe for conquest”

   But your sales page paints a far different story. From the picture of the torso on the top, to the listing out of specific ethnicities, even to the testimonials, they all scream that what you’re selling is sex with Asian women.

   Is that what you’re doing, Travis? Painting a picture that sex with Asian women is a game, in which men can learn the rules through reading books and following guidelines? After all, “it is against the law to say negative things that are 100% wrong.” So it’s hard not to see the stereotypes you use, the implicit assumptions you make about Asian culture, and the disastrous results coming from men seeing women as objects of conquest as anything but “negative things that are 100% wrong”.

   And what about the other issues I raised? Yellow Fever. The commodification of ethnicity into fetish. Post-colonial era sexual conquest fantasties. And even the disenfranchising of Asian males.

   You state that you don’t talk about Asian males. But any book that talks about “picking up” or “meeting Asian” women implicitly suggest that there is a problem they are trying to solve. What is that problem? That “Asian” women are hard to “pick up”?

   The implicit argument then is that Asian women are hard to pick up because they stick with Asian men, or that Asian men are a block, whether physical or mental, to picking up Asian women. Either way, Travis, by not talking about Asian men, you make them invisible. You ignore them as part of the culture, focusing only on sexual objects which suit your needs. And that’s another issue altogether.

   Thanks for getting back to me on this, Travis. You are correct, my judgments are based entirely on your sales page alone, and I have not read the book. Send me a copy if you’d like, and I will gladly read it with an open eye. I’ll be more than happy to tell you what I think about the actual book, and not the glaring offenses I see on your website.

   Thanks,

   teddy

4. TravStroup Says:
   March 11th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

   I’m aware, and I respect your argument. We’re going for a full 180 on the way we’re doing the sales page to fix several of those issues (it will take several weeks, but it will be done. I guarantee you that you would be… at least satisfied that we didn’t cross the line with the content of the eBook. I’d even be willing to send you a copy if you promised not to distribute it and maybe change your post a little bit ;). Though you would also need to promise to view it in the eyes of someone who may feel they need it, rather than someone looking for inherent racism - because if you look specifically for it, you’re bound to find it in anything.

   I do disagree with a few of your arguments. One of which is that being attracted to Asian women must be a fetish. I say that’s untrue. People are attracted to tans, blonds, brunettes - people have attractions, and, whatever their origin, they exist. Many men are attracted to Asian women - not due to any stereotype or anything. Why? Who knows. Many attractions have no basis in Psychology beyond basic symmetry.

   So saying one is “attracted to Asian women,” yes, it could be due to some fetish-esque reason, but it could also simply be unexplainable attraction.

   That said, I know you do not believe that there is absolutely 0 difference between women of Asian cultures (and yes, in the eBook we explain basic cultural differences of most ethnicities) and women of, say, Caucasian decent, so someone, especially a person who is not charismatic socially, could easily use tips and tricks so that they know what they’re doing. We researched searches on this thoroughly and I guarantee you there are people looking for it often.

   Anyway, I haven’t slept much and I’m clearly not headed anywhere with my argument, so to close, we tried hard not to cross the lines, but we wanted to stick with the “sales page” idea that had worked for other similar eBooks in the past. But we decided recently that we didn’t like its setup, because the crowd we are attempting to appeal to is generally of at least moderate intelligence, and most of these eBook sales pages appear to those of… shall we say… less moderate intelligence. As such, we need to change the sales page to appeal to that crowd, and most of that language (like “pick up”) will be removed.

   As a side note, if you really want to see an eBook sales page that you can attack (PLEASE, PLEASE feel free and attack it as the entire sales page makes me sick), go to www dot loveofasianwomen dot com (I don’t want to plug them here) and scroll down to the “erotic Asian types” and check out number 9. If you don’t vomit a little bit, consider yourself the only one.

   Best,

   Travis

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